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	<title>Comments on: Enterprise .Net Toolkit: Unusual Suspects</title>
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		<title>By: ashu fouzdar</title>
		<link>http://gojko.net/2007/01/21/enterprise-net-toolkit-unusual-suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-17226</link>
		<dc:creator>ashu fouzdar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a excellent post, I ever read before. Very depth comparison has been given. almost every aspects have been covered. I like this too much. 

One thing i want to mention here is that the comparison is good in ever aspect, but is should not go beyond the concept of origin of both .NET and Java. Both have their own specialty&#039;s. e.g Java can be more productive for Enterprise development it is having plethora of tools and most of them belong to Open Source. .NET is still evolving in this arena, but need some more time come up with. They are in progress of developing Entity framework and Work flow foundation, moreover they have released Express edition of their every tool for beginners and learner at free of cost.

.NET excel in area of system integration. no other technology can provide that much robustness and flexibility if want to develop for MS platform. Even Java is not able to contact any hardware specific functionality, if someone don&#039;t have knowledge of &quot;C&quot; and JNI. But in .NET you can program all MS API without any hassle.

So my perspective is that both technologies are having their one scope</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a excellent post, I ever read before. Very depth comparison has been given. almost every aspects have been covered. I like this too much. </p>
<p>One thing i want to mention here is that the comparison is good in ever aspect, but is should not go beyond the concept of origin of both .NET and Java. Both have their own specialty&#8217;s. e.g Java can be more productive for Enterprise development it is having plethora of tools and most of them belong to Open Source. .NET is still evolving in this arena, but need some more time come up with. They are in progress of developing Entity framework and Work flow foundation, moreover they have released Express edition of their every tool for beginners and learner at free of cost.</p>
<p>.NET excel in area of system integration. no other technology can provide that much robustness and flexibility if want to develop for MS platform. Even Java is not able to contact any hardware specific functionality, if someone don&#8217;t have knowledge of &#8220;C&#8221; and JNI. But in .NET you can program all MS API without any hassle.</p>
<p>So my perspective is that both technologies are having their one scope</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t take this as a slam (I prefer Java as well) but it seems like you are acting like a tourist going to a foreign country and expecting it to work the same way as your own.  That just aggravates everyone including yourself.  Sometimes you have to do as the Romans do other times you don&#039;t.  Going MVC with .net totally throws away nearly all of the web development features in asp.net.  That is one of the reasons Spring.net doesn&#039;t have an mvc framework.

P.S. Sharpdevelop recently release 2.1 and it is getting to be a pretty good IDE.  It is still rough around the edges in some places but it has come a long way since the 1.x days.  Yes I know that by using it I&#039;m giving up a lot of the VS2005 features but I still have to buck the MS trend here and there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t take this as a slam (I prefer Java as well) but it seems like you are acting like a tourist going to a foreign country and expecting it to work the same way as your own.  That just aggravates everyone including yourself.  Sometimes you have to do as the Romans do other times you don&#8217;t.  Going MVC with .net totally throws away nearly all of the web development features in asp.net.  That is one of the reasons Spring.net doesn&#8217;t have an mvc framework.</p>
<p>P.S. Sharpdevelop recently release 2.1 and it is getting to be a pretty good IDE.  It is still rough around the edges in some places but it has come a long way since the 1.x days.  Yes I know that by using it I&#8217;m giving up a lot of the VS2005 features but I still have to buck the MS trend here and there.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://gojko.net/2007/01/21/enterprise-net-toolkit-unusual-suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-6791</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 07:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fantastic post - good overviews of all the frameworks out there at the moment.

My 2 cents - Whenever I use TortoiseCVS or TortoiseSVN, Explorer tends to hang for a few seconds longer when I click on folders.  I prefer separate clients for this reason (currently checking out SmartSVN).

I find DevExpress Refactor fairly useful, but CodeRush seems to be more of a pain than it&#039;s really worth.

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fantastic post &#8211; good overviews of all the frameworks out there at the moment.</p>
<p>My 2 cents &#8211; Whenever I use TortoiseCVS or TortoiseSVN, Explorer tends to hang for a few seconds longer when I click on folders.  I prefer separate clients for this reason (currently checking out SmartSVN).</p>
<p>I find DevExpress Refactor fairly useful, but CodeRush seems to be more of a pain than it&#8217;s really worth.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Fabrice</title>
		<link>http://gojko.net/2007/01/21/enterprise-net-toolkit-unusual-suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-2737</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another place to look at for tools is http://SharpToolbox.com
It should have all the tools you wish!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another place to look at for tools is <a href="http://SharpToolbox.com" rel="nofollow">http://SharpToolbox.com</a><br />
It should have all the tools you wish!</p>
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		<title>By: Harjit</title>
		<link>http://gojko.net/2007/01/21/enterprise-net-toolkit-unusual-suspects/comment-page-1/#comment-2159</link>
		<dc:creator>Harjit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subversion is a very good source code repository mechanism, and if you do decide to use it (you should at least give it a try!), you might also want to try VisualSVN which integrates into VisualStudio and utilizes Subversion repositories without having to switch out to Windows Explorer to use TortoiseSVN.

I also see that JGarza has already recommended http://www.testdriven.net, which not only integrates NUnit, but also NCover into your Visual Studio environment.

Third, Mini suggests CruiseControl.Net and CruiseControlTray, which can help you with Continuous Integration.

Finally, also look into WiX for packaging and deploying your application.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subversion is a very good source code repository mechanism, and if you do decide to use it (you should at least give it a try!), you might also want to try VisualSVN which integrates into VisualStudio and utilizes Subversion repositories without having to switch out to Windows Explorer to use TortoiseSVN.</p>
<p>I also see that JGarza has already recommended <a href="http://www.testdriven.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.testdriven.net</a>, which not only integrates NUnit, but also NCover into your Visual Studio environment.</p>
<p>Third, Mini suggests CruiseControl.Net and CruiseControlTray, which can help you with Continuous Integration.</p>
<p>Finally, also look into WiX for packaging and deploying your application.</p>
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