Comments on: Improving testing practices at Google

By: Episode 7 – Survivors | Marcelo Costa

Episode 7 – Survivors | Marcelo Costa — Wed, 28 Apr 2010 03:23:16 +0000

[...] pick on Mark Striebeck from Google on the usefulness of a unit test(via Luca Minudel), and on the Test Mercenaries (via Gojko [...]

By: Karine Sabatier » Blog Archive » Links w#52

Karine Sabatier » Blog Archive » Links w#52 — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:07:37 +0000

[...] Improving testing practices at Google “Google had a team of Test Mercenaries, who joined different teams for a short period of time to help them with testing.” Ain’t it how testing first happens everywhere? That’s how it started at Eyeka anyway. Tags : [...]

By: Rogério Liesenfeld

Rogério Liesenfeld — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:40:19 +0000

“The third step will be to provide constructive feedback to developers, telling developers how to improve tests, what tests to write an how to make the code more testable.”

For Java code at least, there is no actual need to “make the code more testable”.
Any piece of Java code can be tested in isolation, given the proper tooling.

You can (and should) make code simpler and therefore easier to understand, change, and test, but production code shouldn’t be made more complex just to satisfy some mocking tool. In other words, don’t confuse intrinsic testability (ie, maintainability) with extrinsic testability, which is a function of the capabilities of the mocking/isolation API used.

By: Gil Zilberfeld

Gil Zilberfeld — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:21:31 +0000

Hi Gojko, In our latest installment of our webcast This week in testing, we talked about your post (actually on your description of Mark's presentation). I invite you to check it out, comment and if you really like what you see, and want to see more, spread the word. Gil Zilberfeld, Typemock

By: The Computer Scientist as Toolsmith – Fred Brooks at Mark Needham

The Computer Scientist as Toolsmith – Fred Brooks at Mark Needham — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:16:23 +0000

[...] seem to be going with an even more automated approach with respect to understanding which tests are useful as Marcus Strie… and since it seems to be working well for them, perhaps we haven't yet worked out where the [...]